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My experience in working on 3 different pianos, and a choir library is that you get a better result if you NR on a per note basis. I believe this is because the notes are not necessarily recorded all in one session, and therefore there will be other external noise, slightly different noise signatures at play. This will be true even if they are all recorded in one session.
Of course, this will take longer, but I think the results are worth it. The other thing is, you might like to just try a small section using each method and decide for yourself. It might be the case that your own situation is different from mine and you get good results by processing the whole recording in one go.
Another thing I have found is that using the noise fingerprint track, or “wild track”, is also less accurate than using a small section of noise before each note starts to use as the noise fingerprint. Again, small variations in external noises, body movements, microphone movements (even small) will impact on the success of reducing the noise floor.
But, again, feel free to experiment as you may find you get different results.
Cheers,
DarrenWhy not NR them and then you can raise them in volume without hearing the background noise floor. You could add an on/off and volume control for the release samples so the user has complete control.
I’ve recently done this with another Pianobook piano conversion I’ve just completed.
The full version of Kontakt is required to run non-commercial instruments/libraries. In other words, these free ones will only run in Demo mode in Kontakt Player which, correct me if I’m wrong, sounds like the one you are using.
AFAIK companies have to pay a licence to Native Instruments to have their instruments/libraries run in the free player. The full player does not require this licence; hence you’ll only be able to run non-commercial instruments in the full paid-for Kontakt version.
This is extremely important actually. Thanks for bringing it to the community’s attention.
Here is the complete list of Windows naming conventions:
https://gist.github.com/doctaphred/d01d05291546186941e1b7ddc02034d3
There are more conventions in the link above but here are the main invalid/reserved characters that should NOT be used in file or folder names:
< (less than)
> (greater than)
: (colon)
” (double quote)
/ (forward slash)
(backslash)
| (vertical bar or pipe)
? (question mark)
* (asterisk)@christianhenson Any chance you could you add this somewhere to the instrument upload instructions?
Kind regards,
DarrenHi Peter,
That’s no problem. To be honest, I was so zombified last night that I’m actually not sure if what I’ve done is good or bad. Please do let me know if I’ve gone too far with the NR and it sounds a bit lifeless.
I actually didn’t realise you were the same guy I was talking to on VI-C. I managed to find a solution to that in the end. But thanks again for helping.
Best wishes,
DarrenHi Peter,
Gosh, that was hard work. They were pretty noisy – sounds like a ground loop and dodgy circuitry!
Here you go…(I hope it’s ok, stayed up late to get it done for ya! 🙂 )
Kind regards,
DarrenBy “character” and “identity” I presume you mean more specifically timbre, natural envelope (attack, decay etc) and EQ fingerprint of the sound? As I’m sure you are aware sound can be manipulated beyond all recognition and anything in between. It all depends on your goal. If you merely want to clean a piano note to remove hiss for example, then careful NR in good restoration software can retain the sound attributes of the note very transparently. If your goal is to do something interesting with the sound by taking it to new sonic areas (which is half the fun of sampling) then the attributes will obviously change and it is just a question of how drastically that change occurs. One way to have the best of both worlds is to allow the user a certain amount of control about how much the sound is manipulated in the UI with the original sound or close to it still being able to be played back.
Of course, strictly speaking the sound is already compromised once it’s been recorded even if you are using the best equipment. It has already started its transformative journey so to speak. The ones and zeros on the hard drive are only a close approximation of the sound that happened in nature (or generated electronically).
Interesting topic though.
Yeah, this had me stumped too a few months back. It’s kinda strange how Logic handles EXS files.
Once you have placed the EXS files in the Sampler Instrument folder as outlined above, you need to click on 3 dashes above “Cutoff” in the EXS24 interface window. There you should see a drop-down menu with a list of the EXS instruments available and you can select and load it from there. If you don’t see your instrument there, click on ‘Refresh’ in the same menu.
Hope that helps!
I’m waiting on one from 3 weeks ago. And another shortly after that. I think they have just been a bit overwhelmed with the amount of submissions.
Hi @kiran singh
I’ve converted this for you.
Download the EXS here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mpci664ud1eu87c/Soft%20Drums.exs.zip?dl=0
Kind regards,
DarrenKontakt 6 to Kontakt 5 requires a manual build as there is no conversion software (that I know of) that can do this automatically. It helps if you have both versions so you can manually copy the settings with both open side-by-side.
Kontakt 5 (and K4) will import EXS instruments (after a few hoops have been jumped through – see below). I’ve had some good results doing this, although it’s not always a completely perfect conversion. It still usually requires further careful tweaking to ensure the sound is faithful to the original EXS version.
Unfortunately, I have read that due to a bug in a key software component this feature broke in about Kontakt version 5.2 and it will crash K5 and/or your DAW if you try to import EXS files in K5.2 to 5.8.
Fortunately there is still a way (Mac instructions only):
In order to enable the EXS24 to Kontakt conversion feature again you will need an older “kconvert.bundle” file. This is the file that does the converting and in later Kontakt versions it contains a bug.
If you have Kontakt 4 then you can find a working “kconvert.bundle” file in:
HD>Library>Application Support>Native Instruments>Kontakt 4
If so, go to Step 6 below…
Or, if you own Kontakt 5 then you should be able to download an older version here:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/downloads/update-manager/?q=kontakt&t=updates
Just login and type Kontakt in the search field, then find “KONTAKT 5.1.0 Mac OS X Update”.
Once downloaded do this:
1. Expand the “Kontakt_5_510U_Mac.dmg”.
2. Right-click on “Kontakt 5 5.1.0 Installer Mac.mpkg” and choose “Show Package Contents”.
3. Navigate to Content>Packages, Right-click on “Kontakt 5 System Extensions.pkg” and choose “Show Package Contents”.
4. Double-click on “Archive.pax.gz”
5. A new Finder window should open up (in your Downloads folder) with folder “Native Instruments” and in that folder is a Kontakt 5 folder. In there is the file you need called “kconvert.bundle”.
6. Navigate to: HD>Library>Application Support>Native Instruments>Kontakt 5 and back up the newer “kconvert.bundle” (version 3.1.0.4) by copying it somewhere else.
7. Copy/replace the older “kconvert.bundle” (version 3.0.0.14) into HD>Library>Application Support>Native Instruments>Kontakt 5Then it is simply a matter of dragging the EXS file from the Kontakt browser window into the Multi window. It should load and then you can save it as Kontakt instrument.
Going from K5/6 to EXS is more problematic especially if heavy scripting and effects have been applied.
There is also a format conversion app called Translator 7 by Chicken Systems, but this costs $150.
There are a few guys that are starting the long process of converting these cool instruments for wider use in the community. Bob Ellis has done a great job, as has Keith Theodosiou. I have started to look at doing some myself over the last few weeks and got a bit too bogged down in fine details. It’s harder than it first seems.
But yes, I’d encourage more help with this. I’m sure many people would be grateful.
Hey,
You can convert ESX24 libraries in Kontakt 5. Unfortunately I have read that this feature broke in Kontakt version 5.2 and it will crash your DAW if you try.
There is, however, still a way to get this to work. I’m afraid I only know how to do this on a Mac:
In order to enable the EXS24 to Kontakt conversion feature again you will need an older “kconvert.bundle” file. This is the file that does the converting and in later Kontakt versions it contains a bug.
If you have Kontakt 4 then you can find a working “kconvert.bundle” file in:
HD>Library>Application Support>Native Instruments>Kontakt 4
If so, go to Step 6 below…
Or, if you own Kontakt 5 then you should be able to download an older version here:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/downloads/update-manager/?q=kontakt&t=updates
Just login and type Kontakt in the search field, then find “KONTAKT 5.1.0 Mac OS X Update”.
Once downloaded do this:
1. Expand the “Kontakt_5_510U_Mac.dmg”.
2. Right-click on “Kontakt 5 5.1.0 Installer Mac.mpkg” and choose “Show Package Contents”.
3. Navigate to Content>Packages, Right-click on “Kontakt 5 System Extensions.pkg” and choose “Show Package Contents”.
4. Double-click on “Archive.pax.gz”
5. A new Finder window should open up (in your Downloads folder) with folder “Native Instruments” and in that folder is a Kontakt 5 folder. In there is the file you need called “kconvert.bundle”.
6. Navigate to: HD>Library>Application Support>Native Instruments>Kontakt 5 and back up the newer “kconvert.bundle” (version 3.1.0.4) by copying it somewhere else.
7. Copy/replace the older “kconvert.bundle” (version 3.0.0.14) into HD>Library>Application Support>Native Instruments>Kontakt 5Then it is simply a matter of dragging the EXS file from the Kontakt browser window into the Multi window. It should load and then you can save it as Kontakt instrument.
If you are on a Windows machine then it is worth trying to see if you can import EXS files.
I hope that helps.
